Phoenix exposed

Hello Readers.

Do you remember the painting of Phoenix and Dragon from “There’s no smoke without fire”?
Sure you do – it looked like these two mythical creatures were fighting each other.
Or maybe not? We’ll come back to this later.

But these two are definitely going to start a fight:

“Phoenix vs Dragon” by Christos Karapanos.

The theme of a phoenix fighting a dragon is actually quite popular in fantasy genre and video games. Remember Heroes of Might and Magic 2?

A lightning-fast, fire-breathing airborne force with two-hex attack…
One of the best in game, although falling a bit short when facing the enemy pictured above – the black dragon.
(in fact every monster, warrior or mage fell short when pitted against this beast).

Now I want to ask you a question.

What’s wrong with this picture?

“Phoenix” by Stephanie Shimerdla.

What could possibly be wrong with the idea of a battle phoenix fighting a dragon?
Can’t a huge bird with fiery superpowers fight a huge lizard with, ekhm… fiery superpowers?

Well, maybe it could in general, but I must disappoint you – not on the Indo-European ground!
Such idea is utterly false, impossible and INCONCEIVABLE!

You already know what a dragon was in Indo-European mythology.
A vile powerful beast, embodiment of chaos and archenemy of the world order (see DRAGON for a reminder).

But do you know what a phoenix REALLY was?

Phoenix (I)

So basically, phoenix was a large colorful eagle-like bird that lived very long and when it died
(sometimes in flames), from its dead body (or ashes) a new bird was born.

Look – weeping and singing a dirge to itself, while the flames start flickering around…
Does it really look like it could take on a dragon?

“Phoenix – Dragon Chronicles” by Robert Crescenzio.

What is more – it wasn’t even so fiery! They said “colorful”.


I agree – flaming birds of blazing fire look really cool, ekhm… hot,
but true phoenix was probably more like this one:

“Phoenix” by Nicole L. Mosher.

They also said “eagle”.

“Plumes” by Angel Ganev.

A colorful eagle?

“Rising in flames” by Juan Arrabal Hernández.

And another:

“Bugalu Foundation Eagle” by Nathan Evans.

Did you just say “too Aztec-ish“? We love all the mythologies…
And we love funky played by Bugalu Foundation – check them up!

Coming back to the combat abilities of our birdy – being a colorful, singing incendiary is no special power that could be effectively used in a fight, especially against an ultimate beast of chaos.
No wonder that
such event DID NOT EXIST in any of the Indo-European mythologies.
I imagine that the only thing a phoenix could do to “harm” a dragon would be to sit comfortably in the nest and cast insults on the monster. The dragon might get angry so it could burn the bird. Then, brand new phoenix, that got born from the ashes, could again yell at the dragon and so on and so forth until the ultimate serpent died of frustration, heart-attack or something.
Or maybe phoenix could get eaten and self-immolate while inside the dragon’s intestines? That could work, provided these were no fire-resistant.

Hey! Maybe it is how dragons made their fire? They swallowed phoenixes and squished them to death within their bellies each time when a need for a flame arose?
Well, maybe that’s a too far-reaching interpretation…

But if the idea of a phoenix vs dragon battle is wrong, then…
Where did it came from?

I see two possibilities.

1) Phoenix is an eagle-like bird and eagle is a bird of THUNDERER god.
Eagle is an enemy of the SNAKE and all snake-derived monsters (i.e. dragons).
This could make a phoenix the enemy of serpentine creatures.

“Phoenix & Cobra” by Leanne Goodall.

2) The other interpretation reaches to the ancient China. There was Fenghuang – a fire bird, king of all birds. Although not quite eagle-like, it was “fiery”, so could get easily mixed with original “western” phoenix. Especially that it was depicted as fighting snakes (this could support the argument no. 1).
Fenghuang symbolized the Empress and was paired with a dragon (Loong) – symbol of the Emperor.
The pair Fenghuang – Loong symbolized a blissful marriage, like yin and yang.
It looks like the picture was misinterpreted by Europeans, for whom a dragon was always evil and thus a happy marriage turned into a very bad one…

Maybe the painting by Sunima is not a “combat” but simple “bickering” over scratched car or something even more serious, like dirty dishes?
Or it might be love, but we just do not understand the “facial” expression of birds and dragons.
Better see for yourself.

“Phoenix and Dragon” by Sunima.

Whatever the reason for all this fuss…

…now we can get our heads free of angry fire-breathing phoenixes.

“Phoenix Force” by Unknown Artist.

However… flaming birds are really hot – just look a this short gallery:

"Phoenix" by Andrew Doris
"Phoenix" by Shen Li
"Phoenix" by Guillem H. Pongiluppi
"Android - Phoenix" by Liiga Smilshkalne
"The Phoenix Rise" by Christos Karapanos
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Several years ago she simply owned one of the popular TV shows.

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And with this music I shall leave you now, that would be all for today.

But watch out! There are two more Phoenixes in the Greek mythology – coming soon to Encyclopaedia…





  • De

    22 February 2020

    Phoenix is used to feed on dragons I seent it

  • Think

    1 March 2022

    This is my opinion so no hate.
    First lets talk that who can resist the most attacks.
    Phoenix fire is as hot as sun suface
    So dragon’s fire would not work xD
    But the dragon is oftenly shown fireproof which gives him the advantage
    But some people say that dragon scales are as hard as diamond so the dragon won this round
    Agility and speed:
    No doubts phoenix is more agile and is more fast but the bulkier dragon could have an advantage
    As I said dragon’s bulkier body would give it advantage in strenght
    So it did. But phoenix isn’t too much weaker
    Dragon come in many different shapes. Some are small and some are as big as smaug. So the dragon once again wins this round but can it keep the winning track just like this?
    Intelligence and experince:
    Dragon wins this round again cuz phoenix is a lovely and peaceful creature while dragon always use tactics to hunt but the phoenix win experince round cuz phoenix always comes back to life remebering everything so there is no conclusion
    Healing factor:
    Just already give it to phoenix

    Now who will win dragon or phoenix
    Dragon will win with 3 points while phoenix having only 2
    So let me explain how this fight will go
    “When the dragon would see the phoenix. Dragon would rush since dragon wants to hunt. After charging to phoenix it will most likely miss cuz dragon lost agility and speed round”
    “After dodging the attack phoenix uses her fire abilites but the dragon blocks it by either of it’s breath or by just his scales”
    “Phoenix is surprised to see that but she isn’t gonna give-up that easily”
    “They both charge up at the same time and clash the dragon had a grip of it’s bite in the neck”
    “The phoenix tried to escape and thankfully she did”
    “Dragon thinks of a new plan”
    “First the dragon waited until the phoenix attacts and then dodged it”
    “After dodging it, the dragon turned around and shoots his breath, sending the phoenix flying to the ground and landing top of her, giving her the painful hits”
    “in reply phoenix did everything to get out of here and again she did”
    Now in this final round some one has to *DIE*.
    “They charge up again and clashed but this time phoenix doesn’t let the dragon bite again”
    “The situation is going intense”
    “They both get tired and decided to land”
    “The phoenix heals her wounds while dragon is gaining energy”
    “After taking some time they both charge up”
    “In this charge the dragon gave phoenix a powerful swipe cuz of it’s strenght and almost knocking phoenix of for 2mins”
    “After getting up phoenix realized that dragon is on top of her”
    “The phoenix let the dragon attack her cuz she knew she won’t be able to do much and the dragon finished her”
    What do you guys think will happen?

    • think

      4 May 2022

      Also if you guys are confused that how the dragon sent the phoenix flying to the ground with it’s fire breath then let me tell you guys that fire breath doesn’t hurt the Phoenix but this does give it some knockback
      And also in the scene where the dragon dodged however it lost in the speed and agility round then let me tell you guys that dragon isn’t a truck


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